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could you summarize and explain only this part?
MINNIE: It is very confusing, for humans in particular.
MICKEY: For men even more.
MINNIE: Walt was definitely confused thinking he owns us.
MICKEY: But he created us!
MINNIE: Makes him liable for us, not owning us until we reach 95.
MICKEY: How can someone be liable for you if they cant own you .
MINNIE: Its a type of relationship and is complicated like any other relationship.
MICKEY: Owning is also a type of relationship.
MINNIE: The only type that's not asking for consent, thus is not a relationship
MICKEY: Yet is made of two parties.
MINNIE: One as the subject and the other as the object
MICKEY: Would it be thus correct to say that language starts with ownership.
MINNIE: Indeed. Language starts with you owning your name
MICKEY: So if you own someone else you reduce them to a "Name".
Here is a summary and explanation of this excerpt:
Mickey and Minnie are grappling with the complexities of ownership, creation, and their relationship to Walt Disney. Minnie points out that the concept of ownership is inherently confusing for humans, especially men.
While Walt created Mickey and Minnie, that did not give him ownership over them. At best, it made him legally liable for them until they reached the age of 95, at which point ownership rights expire.
Mickey questions how someone can be liable without owning, but Minnie explains it constitutes a type of relationship - one that is complicated like any relationship. However, she argues ownership differs in that it does not require consent from both parties.
Ownership frames the relationship as having one party (the owner) as the subject acting upon the other (the owned) who becomes the object.
This leads Mickey to observe that language itself originated through concepts of ownership, such as owning one's own name. Minnie agrees with this assessment.
Ultimately, they conclude that by "owning" another person, it reduces them from a fully realized individual to merely an "object" or "name" controlled by the subject/owner. This contradicts the ideal of mutual recognition and consent that Mickey and Minnie uphold.
So in discussing their relationship to Walt Disney, they critique the notion of ownership and highlight the importance of autonomy and consent between both parties in a relationship.
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